Photo: Father Tomislav Vlasic
MARIJA, VLASIC and false messages (Appendix: "Vlasic Question: Reply to Father Livio Fanzaga)
Marija Pavlović, twenty-two, and Father Tomislav Vlasic, all 'time of the events recounted in this page is not
un'illazione or, even less, an insinuation, but a fact: one of the visionaries, Marija Pavlovic, he once admitted, in writing and in terms that we shall see, and he left his spiritual director attributed to Our Lady of fake messages received through her own.
To tell this story is completely necessary to premise that the six visionaries "first generation" was added in December 1982, Jelena Vasilj, aged 10, who claimed to have the interior locutions, the "communications", by the Madonna and, more rarely, of actual appearances.
Another character who must now be introduced is, in fact, who was the first spiritual director of the visionaries, Franciscan Father Tomislav Vlasic.
Here's what happened: March 25, 1988 Vlasic wrote a long open letter in which he makes known the foundation of a new religious community and directed by him, he said, required specifically by Madonna [See Ogledalo Pravda. Biskupski ordinarijat Mostaru u or u navodnim ukazanjima the porukama Međugorju (The Diocesan Chancery of Mostar on the alleged apparitions and messages of Medjugorje), Mostar, 2001, pp.28-29]
That letter, the next month, was published in Milan ( in a 17-page pamphlet entitled A call in the Marian) on the initiative of that community, who had assumed the name Kraljice Mira, potpuno tvoji, while Marija k Isusu ("Queen of Peace, we are entirely yours; to Jesus through Mary" ) and took office in Mentone Avenue 45, in Parma.
dell'opuscoletto The printing and distribution, "in all major languages" [A call in the Marian, p.1], was entrusted to the 'Association of Friends of Medjugorje "located, then as now, in Via Nirone 9, Milan (then chaired by Mrs Angela Pecorari Square).
the publication in question Vlasic, retracing the path of the birth of that community, writes:
The visionary of Medjugorje Jelena Vasilj who has visions and interior locutions, came to me May 28, 1983, and asked me to attend apparition of the Mother of God, that she would have in his house. He told me that Madonna wanted to confide something.
I witnessed the apparition. Our Lady, through the visionary, he spoke to her: she asked me to join a prayer group made up mostly of young men who were ready to dedicate themselves completely to you, as a priest and asked me to address the group on the road.
Before the group began to have regular meetings, Marija Pavlović, one of the six visionaries, Our Lady appears that since 1981, wanted to see if this really was a project of the Madonna, and asked questions during an appearance at Madonna. He received a positive response: Our Lady said that it was his project, and recommended to the six visionaries, according to their ability to participate in the prayer group. Since then Maria is a member of this group. [A call in the Marian, pp. 3-4] In
Later, Jesus and Mary would have directly asked the same Franciscan and the visionaries (and later to a German acquaintance of Vlasic, named Agnes Heupel) to transform the prayer group in a true religious community: Starting from
'autumn of 1985 our Lord and our Heavenly Mother told me about the heart in a special way. I have also given special messages through some visionaries They asked me total renunciation and readily available to their plan.
[...] On December 7, 1986, and prayed the rosary together meditating on the Joyful Mysteries, Jesus gave a message to Agnes, in which he announced the birth of a new community in which we have to offer both to God, as Clare and Francis. [A call in the Marian, pp. 4-5]
And we come to the decisive point
I also asked an external confirmation. Among other things I asked you a question through Marija Pavlović Madonna. Marija has led the Lady's reply of 8 March 1987: "This plan of God" [A call in the Marian, p. 6]
The community of Vlasic was then opened and settled, as stated, in Parma. We entered the same
Marija, 21 April 1988 that he wrote and signed a statement (published in the same pamphlet, a call in the Marian).
In it, the seer said the following quote, by expressly reference to the open letter of Father Tomislav Vlasic:
I feel I need to say a few words regarding this information who wrote Father Tomislav (Marija so she knows the text written by Vlasic, nda)
Since [...] its inception I have inserted the prayer group, led by Our Lady Jelena Vasilj and Father Tomislav Vlasic.
[...] I saw that the messages that came through Jelena clear and complete messages that Our Lady gave to me.
Earlier this year I retired in silence with some people from that group prayer. One day, some time before departure, we first apparition asked Our Lady to give us the light in order to understand the program that you had given through Father Tomislav Vlasic and Agnes Heupel.
Our Lady came, she was happy. She prayed over us and says: "Dear children, I give you a special gift, the gift of freedom so that I can decide for God bless the free decision of each of you." So I understood that I could make up my mind on this road since I was waiting for an opportunity to be able to withdraw in silence and prayer.
As you can see, the Madonna has made a program for the Community "Queen of Peace, totally Yours, Maria Jesus", and lead this community through Father Tomislav and Agnes, through which come posts for the Community.
am in the Community for over a month and a half ... [A call in the Marian, pp. 15-16]
In essence, Marija does not dispute the veracity of the open letter written by Vlasic (which, as we have seen, the explicit approval of the birth of the Community by Madonna: Marija led the response of the Madonna dell ' March 8, 1987: "This plan of God").
the beginning of next July, a U.S. journalist, Suzanne Rini, sent by the Catholic periodical Fidelity, arrives in Italy and calling to account Vlasic father of a rough affair that concerns (birth, eleven years first, the son of Sister Rufina: See in this regard, this same site, the page "And Our Lady said: Thank so much Father Tomislav: guides you so well!"). The Franciscan said unconnected with the facts.
Whatever the case, a few days later, on July 11, 1988, something unexpected occurs: Marija (perhaps fearing that he compromised by giving the support of the Madonna with a brother involved in a scandal?) Writes in Croatian language and in Italian, a new and resounding statement.
of this press is not usually track publications in favor of Medjugorje (Laurentin, which oversaw an annual update on events related to these "appearances", spoke in Latest News No 8, 1989, but eliminated any reference to it in his main work is more widespread, the Virgin appears in Medjugorje?, Whose final edition dates back to 1991).
Marija's statement, however, been fully reported in a publication of the Curia of Mostar: Ogledalo Pravda. Biskupski ordinarijat Mostaru u or u navodnim ukazanjima the porukama Međugorju (The Diocesan Chancery of Mostar on the alleged apparitions and messages of Medjugorje), Mostar, 2001, pp. 30-32.
Here, in translation:
I feel a moral duty to make the following statements before God, the Virgin Mary and the Church of Jesus Christ:
From the book "A Call in the Marian and the testimony that bears my signature, it shows that I have given an answer to a question of Our Lady of Tomislav Vlasic. Such a response would be: "This is God's plan", that therefore I, as a Part of the Virgin Mary, I would have given confirmation to Tomislav Vlasic and explicit permission for this work and for the program began in Italy with the prayer group in Medjugorje.
now declare that he never asked the Madonna no confirmation for this Work initiated by Tomislav V. and Agnes Heupel. I never explicitly asked the Madonna about me, if I take part in this opera and I have never received any endorsement by Madonna on the group, except that each of us should be free to make a choice for their lives.
From the book and the testimony that bears my signature below that Madonna has shown me that the community and the program Tomislav V. and Agnes Heupel is the way of God for me and for others. Now I repeat that he never received nor given to Madonna by Tomislav nor any other person, such a confirmation and approval by the Madonna.
My first testimony, published in Croatian and Italian does not correspond to the truth. Personally I had no desire to make a statement in writing. Tomislav V. advised me, insisting several times, to write, as a seer, a witness expected from the world.
I also declare that the contents of the letter as presented and my signature pose some questions. For now, all the questions I can only give this answer, which I give, I repeat, before God, the Virgin and before the Church of Jesus Christ: "Everything that can be understood as a response and an explicit confirmation of this work of Tomislav V. and Agnes Heupel, by Madonna through me, absolutely does not correspond to the truth and also does not correspond to the truth the idea that I had spontaneous desire to write this testimony. " What I consider moral duty
the following statements, before God, the Virgin and before the Church:
After seven years of daily apparitions, after the experience more intimate that I have together and the prudence of the Madonna, after all that I remember the advice of Our Lady and Our Lady's response to my questions personally, I can state that does not stand the idea that the plan of Heaven and the overall message of Our Lady in Medjugorje have for me, as a sacred process and desired result of Our Lady, this Society and the program started in Italy by Tomislav V. and Agnes Heupel.
E 'must add to this statement that the daily apparitions continue.
I sign this statement before the Blessed Sacrament and the fate of all who are heart-related "work" of Our Lady of Medjugorje.
11/7/1988 Marija Pavlović
And here's the second side of the letter containing the signature of Marija Pavlović:
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APPENDIX:
VLASIC QUESTION: A RESPONSE Father Livio Fanzaga (8 / 9 / 2008)
's Sept. 8, 2008, following the release of the news of stringent punitive measures adopted by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith against Father Tomislav Vlasic, Radio Maria published on its website a letter from Marija, which we mentioned in the closing part on this page.
This is a very rare document, of which up to now, medjugoriani environments, there had hardly ever spoken.
Marija, who at the time, since February 1988, lived in Italy, at Parma, at the headquarters of the Community, published (it is mentioned in the article) two versions of the letter of July (just as it did with the Previous testimony in April), one in Italian (which is now made known by Radio Maria) and another one in Croatian (which is one to which I was previously remade me).
The two versions have significantly overlapping However, now that finally, after twenty years, is coming off the Italian version of a handwritten, it seems only right to use that.
So I will.
Father Livio Fanzaga in the document released on September 8, 2008, accompanying the letter Marija, states:
"In the spring of 1988 P. Tomislav Vlasic, in a public letter addressed to the whole world, said that the community he founded with Agnes Heupel was commissioned by the Queen of Peace and in this regard called into question the claims of the visionary Maria Pavlovic. This flatly contradicted a public statement, addressed to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and stated that there was no link between the Community of Father Tomislav Vlasic and the apparitions of Medjugorje. The thinly disguised attempt to accredit the authority of the Virgin Mary so that the community was cut off, even if it is repeated in subsequent years. "
On the contrary, it is sufficient to read the letter (and not merely, as many do, from father to comment Livio) to realize that it is above all a serious admission of liability by the same Marija, who admits to having let Vlasic manipulated her and Madonna. How does
father Livio writing "that there was no link between the Community of Father Tomislav Vlasic and the apparitions of Medjugorje, "when in that same letter, Maria admits that, just as the" seers "of Medjugorje, she signed that false statement, at the request of Vlasic?
Narcotics these other words of Father Livio," the sly attempt to accredit with the authority of the Virgin Mary that the community was so crushed. "How do you present the story in these terms, when, in the" insidious attempt ", Marija was crucial and conscious accomplice, guilty confession?
Marija begins like this:
"A call from the texts in the Marian and the testimony that bears my signature (emphasis mine, nda) it appears that I would have taken in response to a request of Our Lady of Father Tomislav: This is God's plan "
Therefore, the visionary acknowledged signing a testimony endorsing a false message of Madonna
The stresses in paragraph 3:
"from the texts and the testimony that bears my signature (emphasis mine, nda), it seems to me that Madonna would show that the community and the program P. Tomislav and Agnes Heupel were the way of God for me and for others "
paragraph 4 confirms for the umpteenth time:
" The witness that which is published in Italian does not correspond to the truth about the first Initiative
(mind you that Marija is not making a distinction between the content of the testimony of the witness in Italian and Croatian. Simply put, the Italian version of this letter, is making an explicit reference to written testimony in the same language, while in the Croatian version of the same letter, states that the "no match to the truth" about the witness is in Italian and Croatian Moje prvo svjedočanstvo, Takva kakvo je na hrvatskom objavljeno the talijanskom jeziku, it odgovara istinisi [See "Ogledalo Pravda. Biskupski ordinarijat u Mostaru or navodnim ukazanjima the porukama Međugorju u "(The Diocesan Chancery of Mostar on the alleged apparitions and messages of Medjugorje), Mostar, 2001, pg. 30].
And is not that the Vlasic had put a gun to his head to force her to sign. Simply continues Marija:
"Father Tomislav suggested I write as a visionary with the insistence of a witness that the world was waiting for."
It 's also the case of aggravating evidence here: we have seen, the false testimony had been signed by Marija April 21, 1988 and then, as the letter goes back to' July 11, the "seer" was an accomplice, Rea confesses to Vlasic, for about three months. In paragraph 5
Marija expresses the awareness that this shadow story throws at her and writes:
"I must also declare that the wording as presented and my signature raise some questions"
Well, that gives justification?
No, it is absolutely no justification, as well as to continue:
"for the moment I can give all the possible questions only answer this, do that, I repeat, before God, before the Virgin Mary and the Church of Jesus Christ: "All that can be pecepito as confirmation and explicit approval of the Work of Father Tomislav and Agnes Heupel by Madonna through me is totally foreign to the truth, and truth is foreign to the thought I have had a spontaneous desire to write this testimony. "
In essence merely repeats the falsehood of the message and its connivance, without explanation.
And here ends my analysis of the letter.
only add the comment the Curia of Mostar to this story, taken from the number 8-9 (August-September) of 2008 Crkva na kamenu, pastoral bulletin of the diocese, which reads:
'The affirmation of Tomislav and "witness" Marija was radically denied in his statement handwritten on July 11, 1988, "before God, before the Virgin Mary and the Church of Jesus Christ": "Everything that can be understood as a direct confirmation and approval of this work by Tomislav and Agnes Heupel, by Madonna, through me, absolutely does not correspond to the truth, as it is not true that I had the idea of \u200b\u200bhaving spontaneously desire to write this testimony, "as Marija.
We know that no lie is the truth and the lies we see that the above well-known in Medjugorje have also been attributed to Our Lady.
[Crkva na kamenu, 8-9, 2008, p . 28, see also the published version online]
Alongside this discussion, you may notice that Father Livy, in his report, added: "There is the fact that he presumptuous definition (Vlasic) gives himself a "spiritual guide of the visionaries."
is not a particularly important issue, but, in fact, the declarations of Vlasic, there would be evidence contrary to the statements of Father Livio.
Father Rene Laurentin, who attended regularly Medjugorje since 1983 (and therefore is the only one of the historians of these "appearances" to have been able to see for myself what was the relationship between Vlasic and boys) in a section significantly entitled "A new spiritual guide, "writes:
" Tomislav [...] is liaise with the visionaries [...] It becomes the "spiritual director" and will be the title that will keep the parish "[R. Laurentin, story and message of the apparitions of Medjugorje, Queriniana, 1987, p. 1990]
On 30 October 1984, the bishop of Mostar, Pavao Zanic, issues a report called The current position, unofficial, of the Episcopal Curia of Mostar towards the events of Medjugorje.
In it, in par. 10, Tomislav Vlasic comes from his bishop explicitly "spiritual father of the" visionaries ".
And then we have ... Our Lady's message of 28 February 1982: "You can thank both Tomislav because it will guide you so well "(And Our Lady said: Thank so much Father Tomislav: guides you so well!)
And sorry if it is little.
Marco Corvi
http://marcocorvaglia.blog.lastampa.it/mcor/il-messaggio-della-madonn.html
