Medjugorje seen by lay
"From the beginning warned that the Franciscans had to wait for the opinion of the Church ... The heads of events, however, sought to bring the masses to Medjugorje as soon as possible to make a lot of money on propaganda and manipulate the Virgin in their battle against the bishop. They packed "miracles" on the sun, have cited hundreds of non-existent healing, and told of seeing that all the faithful believe all ... "(Bishop Pavao Zanic, 1990).
"The many" messages "attributed to Our Lady of Medjugorje are simple inventions ... Our faith can not be the result of fantasy and hallucination ... In Medjugorje, there is a real danger that Mary and the Church "privatize" the faithful imagine the Virgin Mary and the Church according to their own tastes, perceptions and pleasure ... "(Bishop Ratko Peric, 2004).
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Marco Corvi -" Medjugorje is completely false "(PREVIEW € 19) 285 October
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Medjugorje is completely false
Marco Corvi
MEDJUGORJE is all false
FROM 19 OCTOBER IN ALL LIBRARIES
PREVIEW EDITION / ISBN 978-88-88857-17-6 / pp. 288 / € 19.00 /
Once Medjugorje was a small desolate village beyond the Adriatic Sea. But after June 24, 1981, the day you guys claim to have seen the Virgin Mary Apparition on, his life changed. Today is one of the world capitals of religious tourism, which can accommodate each year more than a million pilgrims from all over the world.
What is, however, behind the alleged phenomenon of the appearances? And how credible are the stories and studies that have followed over the years and have tried to shed light on it?
If the Catholic hierarchy has assumed from the outset a very cautious attitude of the people of the unbelievers was divided: on the one hand, there are no doubts the supernatural character of those events, other people suspected deception .
But is it really impossible to reach, on the basis of available data, a conclusion based minimally?
The author of this book thinks that truth is at hand - if only you want to see it. In the now very large literature devoted to the apparitions in reality everything is written: the ambiguities, contradictions, the lies of the protagonists of the story are obvious, and irrefutable.
Special attention should be paid what for a quarter of a century have been the trump card of the proponents of Medjugorje: the scientific investigations carried out by different groups. For the first time are critically examined and thoroughly tests and medical reports that show the sincerity of the visionaries and inexplicable phenomena. Unfortunately, there is not one that stands up to careful analysis.
Marco Corvi, "the test so-called" scientific "I spent about a third of my work. I have been conducting a thorough examination that no one had ever tried so far. What I can say, briefly, is that it is the unique way in which these tests were carried out, amazing how they were interpreted, the disconcerting way in which the propaganda presented them. "
Among the many" scandals "sprung up around the phenomenon Medjugorje, this is also revealed and documented that (so far carefully concealed in Italy) of U.S. religious community founded for "will" of Our Lady of Medjugorje, which is still advertised and attended by some of the visionaries. It is actually multi-million dollar company, whose founder was sentenced to pay substantial damages to former followers, who accused him of subjecting them to indoctrination, psychological, and so have their extorted large sums of money.
"Allegations of brainwashing and money laundering affect a religious group in the area and some unfortunate members leave Caritas born in 1987 in Shelby County to promote the experience of Medjugorje, the village where six Eastern European children claimed to see the Virgin Mary.
Today Caritas has grown to become a multimillionaire, with families who live there all year, a travel agency that offers pilgrimages to Medjugorje, Bosnia-Herzegovina, a publishing industry and even a farm.
[.] "Terry's philosophy is to not answer people who say bad things about him - said Joseph Ritchey, a Birmingham lawyer who looks after the interests of Caritas -. Do you think that would give credibility to the criticism by responding to complaints. [.] I do not think there is something terrible there, it would not otherwise be represented. "
Sara Foss, March 26, 2001," Birmingham Post-Herald
short, The Medjugorje phenomenon is the son of an extraordinary propaganda machine, primarily local, but not only, some with other superficial maneuvered into a real bad faith, which has relied on a phenomenon to rekindle the warm false beliefs of believers and to revitalize economically the tourism industry of the country and beyond.
Singular tips from the book to read
The Lady [Mrs., in Croatian] knows how to reward the zeal that Laurentin [Marian theologian and author of numerous works on Medjugorje] has repeatedly demonstrated in defending it. The same French
mariologist informs us that on 1 August 1984, the question (given to Our Lady, through Marija, from a Franciscan of Belgrade) "What message do you have for us priests?" was the reply: "Have you read the book to the priests of his father Laurentin and spread" (recorded in video response).
Obviously this has led to laughter in those who have at least some 'critical spirit and then Laurentin defended himself by saying that it was not his intention to boast that "sponsorship." He even added: "Knowing many visionaries, are not pleased when, very rarely, some of them believe the praise should be accorded by the Madonna. I'm always afraid that this kind of praise are driven by the desire to get in my thanks. "
This time hit the mark, father Laurentin. However
Our Lady has not devoted a strange editorial promotions in fact only just told.
More significantly, the former is the case of a biography of Jesus entitled The Poem of the Man-God, written on alleged divine inspiration, the mystic Maria Valtorta. The work has spread among the followers of Medjugorje since 1982, when, as we shall see, there was an endorsement of the Madonna, communicated through Marija. It is still considered a cult in the environment, so much so that during the second half of 2006 Radio Maria has sent a reading series.
The oddity is that the first edition of this book was incorporated in 1959, the Index of Books Prohibited by the Catholic Church.
On 31 January 1985, the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, wrote a letter to the Archbishop of Genoa, Giuseppe Siri, which defined the work in question an expression of "a well- known category of mental illness. " The future Pope Benedict XVI went on to say that
elements introduced in the second edition does not change the nature of the work, which consists of a mountain of childishness, fantasies, historical and exegetical falsehoods, diluted in a subtly sensual, to Due to a bevy of women to follow Jesus in all this is a pile of pseudo-elements. Therefore, for the second edition, the condemnation by the Church remains valid.
Although it was officially abolished, Cardinal Ratzinger to the Index of Forbidden Books "retains all its moral authority."
Father Philip Pavich, a Franciscan Croatian born American, who lived in Medjugorje for the past five years, October 4, 1991 wanted to communicate via fax to Medjugorje Center that it was a text indexing is that it was possible that the Madonna agreed with it: then asked who was no longer sold. Attach a letter from Ratzinger.
Here's what happened in Pavich's own words: "Instead of thanking me, furious about what I had done. I could not tolerate that blatantly contradict the Mother of God "If you do not believe the Valtorta, then you do not believe in Medjugorje" This is what I said. "
In March 1992, when Maria was in the U.S. for a series of meetings with the adherents overseas, was a guest in New Orleans, an episode of the Focus program aired on EWTN network. She was accompanied by Father Slavko Barbaric, Charismatic became the Franciscan spiritual director of the visionaries after the removal of Vlasic (ordered in 1984 by Bishop Zanic for disciplinary reasons).
At one point, came the call from a viewer named Bob.
BOB: What did he say exactly the Madonna on the Poem of the Man-God? The issue is very controversial and there are discussions between those who believe in the messages of Medjugorje.
MARIJA: A day in the early days, I did not even know the existence of this book. But a lay brother of Mostar told me: "Ask if it is true to the Madonna." I asked the Virgin Mary and told me: "You can read." He did not say anything else. Now I have heard that there are big problems with this book and perhaps father Slavko can explain them.
BARBARIC FATHER: Yes, there is much confusion on this point. This is my advice: ask your bishop what we need to think about it.
In 1995, Sister Emmanuel Maillard living in the "Community of the Beatitudes" of Medjugorje, Marija interviewed, which confirms and clarifies some details: the Franciscan who had asked her to ask the Virgin Mary was called father Franjo, was precisely the year 1982.
The most reasonable hypothesis is that Marija, not knowing the book had never imagined that the Index. So he invents an answer, however vague, blatantly contradicted the official position of the Church.
Seers, today
premise that none of the six visionaries working, except for Yakov, who lends his parish work in the office. He is married since 1993 to an Italian, Annalisa Barozzi, and has three children. He no longer has daily apparitions since 1998, but has one year, December 25.
Ivanka has three children, having married in 1986 Rajko Elez Branko, whose brother opened a restaurant in a great location, opposite the church in Medjugorje. In that work the same local Rajko 207. He stopped having daily apparitions since 1985 and has one every year, June 25, the anniversary of "official" of the apparitions.
Mirjana married in 1989, has two daughters. He no longer has daily apparitions since 1982, but has a second day of each month in the morning and another every 18 March.
Vicka, married since 2002, with two children, continues to have regular appearances.
Marija is married since 1993 with the Italian Paolo Lunetti, has four children and lives in Monza. He still has daily apparitions. In addition, the 25th of each month has a special message for all the faithful, who will communicate to the parish of Medjugorje, the latter then promptly disclose all over the world.
Ivan in 1994, he married Laureen Murphy, a former Miss Massachusetts has three children. He still has daily apparitions from May to September and lives in Medjugorje and the rest of the year in Boston, United States, but his family welcomed pilgrims throughout the year.
The two "visionaries of second generation are married: Marijana in 1993 (and soon ceased to have its interior locutions) and Jelena in 2002 (now living in Rome with her husband, Massimiliano Valente). In the early
Ivan declared: "Our Lady, from first appearances, he has forbidden to receive money." But in 1994
Laurentin informs its readers that "Ivan is now a beautiful new house, which will allow him to live by hosting pilgrims, as they do Mirjana, Ivanka, Jakov Vicka and soon."
The following year, stated: "Their standard of living is much higher than that of their childhood."
worth a visit the official website through which collects Ivan reservations. Let us quote here a few 'fragment'
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more like an invitation to spirituality or a persuasive advertisement?
unlikely friendship?
exists in the world an incalculable number of associations who spread the cult of Medjugorje, spreading the messages of the seers, calling to prayer, organizing pilgrimages and selling of all lawfully, books and DVDs.
The largest Medjugorje Center is located in the United States. This is not surprising, since the apparitions of Our Lady overseas have had a particular impact, as evidenced, indirectly, the information published by Paul Apolito in his book Internet and Madonna in the 70s in United States there were eleven people said they had cha see Madonna. In the '80s, after the spread of news about Medjugorje, the cases have been forty-nine. The growth trend seems unstoppable, however, since in the 90s, there were one hundred alleged apparitions. The Medjugorje Center
did mention that you found in the city of Birmingham (Alabama) and called Caritas (of course it has nothing to do with the eponymous pastoral organization of the CEI, well known in our country). It is such a
founder Terry Colafrancesco, which during the 80s who spent several years in Medjugorje Marija befriending. When the seer, in 1988, he decided, noble, donate a kidney to his sick brother, he was to offer travel and hospitality.
So, Marija went to Birmingham, his brother was sick and as an interpreter, Cyrille Auboyneau, we already know.
Note that in weeks when he was in Alabama, between 1988 and 1989, Maria continued to have the apparitions. Rather said that Our Lady had appeared while he was in surgery, under general anesthesia:
LIVIO FATHER: You had the appearance while you were under general anesthesia and notavi the face of the Madonna which followed the operation?
MARIJA: Yes, for example at the time of the first cut I saw that Madonna has done as a grimace on his face.
According Socci, this reaction would indicate the "typical female sensitivity" of the Madonna.
The apparitions took place normally in the room of spouses Colafrancesco (around 10.40 am, because of time zone), but on November 24, Thanksgiving Day, Terry asked Marija to have an appearance in a vast field of 36 hectares of his property, under a pine tree from which he had placed a crucifix and a statue of the Madonna.
Auboyneau confirmed that the founder of Caritas of Birmingham asked for an appearance in the field, "Terry wanted an appearance in the field, under the tree, and made this request. So we asked Marija to ask Our Lady if she could appear in the field, on Thanksgiving Day. The Madonna said that she would appear. "
In the months following the field of Caritas became one of the major attractions of tourist from Alabama, and supported by Lisa Shivers, director of the local Bureau of Tourism and Travel. What
Colafrancesco is not a simple Medjugorje Center: this is a real community, also open to families in which the vein of a religious message is harmless but, in my opinion, grotesque 'patriotism' ( at 5.00 every morning to pray the Patriotic Rosary). Such a community would be born as a result of a request from Madonna (see track below). Since the intermediary Colafrancesco and Our Lady of Marija, then we must conclude that it has been known to make such a request. It repeats the pattern of the community of Vlasic?
the official website of the organization is reported to Marija Pavlovic (in Lunetti) had 125 appearances at the Caritas of Birmingham, where he returned regularly over the years. Because during his stay at the surgery they were little more than thirty, it is deduced that there have been about 90 since 1989.
But we read a singular document published 23 November 2006 on the same website:
On August 5, 1620 the Mayflower sailed to the New World. This small boat was the vessel that God worked to bring a group of Christians in an unknown land across the Atlantic. [.] For anyone who knows just a little 'the relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the birth of the United States of America, is really exciting to think in the history of our nation, the sign which confirms this sacred bond, as the 5 August, according to Our Lady of Medjugorje, used your real birthday.
[.] A year ago, November 24, 2005, Thanksgiving Day [.] Marija Lunetti was back in Alabama for a private tour of two days. But these days have had special significance for the community, because Thanksgiving fell November 24. The first time Our Lady appeared in the camp was on Thanksgiving Day and it was November 24, 1988. [.] It was a special anniversary for us, especially as Marija's visit was not planned. It was a spontaneous decision that led to Marija in Alabama in recent days. And so we celebrated not only the memory of our nation's first Thanksgiving, but also the first Thanksgiving in our community, because through these apparitions, Our Lady began a plan to reconcile ourselves with God, our families and our nation, through She asked the community that was created here.
On 24 November 1988, Madonna gave a message. He said: "I invite you to live my messages. I am here to help. Intercede with God on your behalf, for all your intentions. "
Since then, the field has become a place of pilgrimage, a place where tens of thousands of people came over the years to meet the Virgin Mary and praying to present their needs. It is a place that also has great significance for our nation, dedicated to Our Lady's heart for his return to God [.]
What is more, Mirjana November 2, 2006 also was a guest of Colafrancesco. Marija
Note that, when his friend the U.S. has the apparitions of Medjugorje second time zone (so it's morning in Alabama and evening in Medjugorje). Instead Mirjana, Medjugorje that has the appearance of the second day of the month in the morning, had the morning in Alabama. Despite this anomaly, the 8000 faithful gathered in Birmingham knew that would have seen an ecstasy in the morning, shortly after the arrival of Mirjana. But, you know, the Madonna of Medjugorje is by appointment (not a joke, as we shall see).
read the guide "official": Despite the cold
pilgrims gathered and continued to arrive throughout the morning, far exceeding the 8 000. The cold has not diminished the desire of thousands of these being with Madonna. [.] Miriam came around at 8.45 and joined pilgrims in the recitation of the Glorious Mysteries of the Rosary. At 9.07 came Mirjana in ecstasy, and remained with Madonna about 3 ½ minutes. Although the same cold for hours, the crowd was determined to stay until he heard the message of Madonna translated into your language.
Lady SpA
On 16 March 1995 a friend of Vicka addressed, by letter, to a group of wealthy Dutch devotees of Our Lady, saying he had asked the Virgin Mary, using the same Vicka permission to build a hotel of 100 beds. In this letter, it stated that on 2 December 1994, the seer said: "[Madonna] said that you can start to build up gradually. "
is therefore necessary to raise the funds.
The Dutch call immediately, by fax, to Father Slavko Barbaric questions about the reliability of this strange call.
Upon learning of this, Vicka March 19 anticipates the response of his spiritual father and wrote to the head of the Dutch group the following amazing letter, which, like the others mentioned in this paragraph, will then be published on "Crkva na kamenu ( The Church on the Rock), diocesan pastoral bulletin (number 11, November 1997, page 3):
valued and respected friend,
I have already written by my friend and his family and now I am writing again because maybe I was not well understood and, in addition, I am a bit 'surprised that you are looking for posts by someone other than the messages of Our Lady, Mother of God
When the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God approves and insists on the commencement of construction work, then I do not understand why she has doubts and calls for all posts and approval by ordinary people.
Our Lady, Mother of God, has given its approval for the commencement of work by me, so if you believe in Medjugorje and the apparitions of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, do not understand why you have further questions.
I hope with all my heart a happy start of work and mutual cooperation. Many greetings. I pray for her.
Father Slavko Barbaric
had not been informed of the letter by Vicki and so we just reported on March 28 sent his reply and denied that the seer had never applied to the Madonna on the desirability of building the hotel
index of ' 5 Introduction by
Medjugorje.
IS ALL FALSE 13 1. Oddities and contradictions
115 2. Absurdity
135 3. Wonders and innocence
169 4. The Church's position
177 5. Scientific investigations?
269 6. Travel Notes 279 Bibliography
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Medjugorje, "EVIL PHENOMENON" THE GOLDEN EGGS: THE
"J'accuse" of a bishop
34427. ROME-ADISTA. "In Medjugorje everything happens in function of money: Pilgrimages, overnights, sales of gadgets. Thus, abusing the good faith of those poor people who go there thinking of getting to the Madonna, the false seers have financial systems, they marry and lead a wealthy life to say the least. " Words that weigh like rocks, those issued to Petrus, the online newspaper that deals with religious information, by Msgr. Andrea Gemma, former bishop of Isernia-Venafro. Monsignor Gemma does not hide behind a finger and accuses: "It is perfectly diabolical, around which revolve many underground interests." The river of money that has invested the citizens of Bosnia-Herzegovina, from that which took place in 1981 the first apparition of Mary, arouses the suspicions of the former bishop: "These people who claim to be in contact with are Madonna creating havoc and confusion among the faithful for interest and benefit absolutely despicable "- and continues -" I do not really seem disinterested persons. Indeed, together with lenders side by this sensational scam, obviously have an interest material to pretend to see and talk with the Virgin Mary. "
The position of the former bishop of Isernia endorsement is in doubt is already known about by Msgr. Zanic, Bishop of Mostar at the time of the alleged apparitions began, that his successor Mgr. Peric. In response to the supporters of Medjugorje who say that the Holy See has never expressed about Msgr. Gemma does not fail to remind the Court that "The Holy Church, the only one to have a say through the mouth of the bishop of Mostar, has already said publicly and officially, that the Madonna has never appeared at Medjugorje" - and continues - "not even Fatima to Lourdes and it was that the Holy See expressed directly on the appearances Marian. Why, then, would make an exception in this case? The truth is that when talking about the bishop of Mostar, about the Church of Christ, and him, which is expressed with the authority conferred by the Vatican, that we must heed. " Compared to the position of Pope Benedict XVI about Msgr. Gemma merely notes that "it was he, as Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to issue notes of the official adverse Medjugorje, such as forbidding priests and religious to make a pilgrimage to that land." And the request for comment on the rumors that they attributed to John Paul II's sympathies against the bishop of Medjugorje visionaries replication: it is "unproven legend, given that these are the personal opinions and do not represent in any way a magisterial act".
http://www.adistaonline.it/index.php?op=articolo&id=42786
Father Vlasic Medjugorje: Pope has begun a crackdown on the biggest shrine Catholic world with the illegal suspension of the priest at the center of allegations that the Virgin Mary would appear more than 40000 times.
Benedict XVI has authorized 'severe cautionary and disciplinary measures' against Father Tomislav Vlasic, the former' director spiritual 'six children who claimed that Madonna would have appeared to them at Medjugorje in Bosnia.
The Franciscan priest has been suspended after refusing to cooperate in the allegations of scandalous sexual immorality 'aggravated by mystical motivations'. E 'was also accused of "diffusion of dubious doctrine, manipulation of consciences, suspected mysticism and disobedience to orders given legitimately."
Father Vlasic was a central figure in promoting the apparitions that would begin in 1981 and continues today.
In 1984 he boasted to Pope John Paul II to be the one 'who through divine providence guides the seers of Medjugorje 'and the visionaries themselves said that the Virgin told them that Vlasic was a living saint.
But the Bosnian priest came in second place when it emerged that he had had a child with a nun called Sister Rufina, and has subsequently refused to leave his order to marry her but instead he asked to not report it.
Father Vlasic then moved to Parma, in Italy, where he gave off a mixed religious community of men and women, called the Queen of Peace, which was dedicated to the apparitions of Medjugorje.
Medjugorje has grown to become the most visited Catholic shrine in the unauthorized world, attracting hundreds of thousands of pilgrims each year, including many from the United Kingdom and Ireland.
Local bishops, however, convinced of imposture in 2006 complained directly to Pope Benedict XVI. This kicked off a survey that the Vatican has put the spotlight in the role of Father Vlasic.
The priest was suspended by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith after he refused to cooperate with the investigation into his conduct, 'instead of justifying himself citing his zealous activity' in establishing religious communities and building churches the Medjugorje area.
The decree confirming his suspension was signed with Pope's approval by Cardinal William Levada, prefect of the CDF, and Father Jose Carballo, Minister General of the Order of Friars Minor.
confines Father Vlasic to a Franciscan monastery in Italy and prevents contact of the Queen of Peace community, or his lawyers without permission from his superior. He was forbidden from making public appearances, preaching and hearing confessions, and must declare a solemn profession of the Catholic faith.
The Vatican has warned Father Vlasic that he will be excommunicated if they violate a prohibition.
The measure had been taken earlier this year, but was made public this week by the Bishop of Mostar, Ratko Peric, on request Vatican to inform the local population of the state of the priest.
Father Vlasic is the second spiritual adviser to the visionaries to be suspended from his ministry. The other, Father Jozo Zovko, was suspended by Bishop Peric in 2004.
represents a huge blow to millions of supporters of Medjugorje in the world who hope that the Vatican investigation into the legitimacy of the Sanctuary.
During the year, Italian Bishop Andrea Gemma denounced the Medjugorje claims about how 'the devil' and he predicted that 'soon the Vatican would intervene with something explosive to unmask once and for all who is behind this deception '. The phenomenon Well
beginning June 25, 1981, when six children - Mirjana Dragicevic, Marija Pavlovic, Vicka Ivankovic, Ivan Dragicevic, Ivanka Ivankovic and Jakov Colo - told a priest they had seen the Virgin on a hillside near their town.
Three Ecclesiastical commissions are not reflected that confirm their claims and the bishops of the former Yugoslavia finally declared that 'could not be said that it was supernatural apparitions or revelations'.
In 1985, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger - now Pope Benedict - banned pilgrimages to the place, but this has been largely ignored. Instead the seers have grown economically, as a result of their statements - and with them also the country that has prospered thanks to the 'Madonna gold rush'.
Some today own smart executive houses with immaculate gardens, double garage, security gates and one of them has a tennis court.
They also own expensive cars and have married - one of them, Ivan Dragicevic, a former American beauty queen.
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